tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post113422369044098202..comments2024-01-31T00:52:30.471-08:00Comments on Waking Ambrose: Before the FallDoug The Unahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134452408150508332005-12-12T21:40:00.000-08:002005-12-12T21:40:00.000-08:00Hey, Ma! I think they're gone but thanks. Clearl...Hey, Ma! I think they're gone but thanks. Clearly, everything you say is true. And I heard ya.Doug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134395832669377962005-12-12T05:57:00.000-08:002005-12-12T05:57:00.000-08:00Wasn't that great, Ariella? Even Waking Ambrose c...Wasn't that great, Ariella? Even Waking Ambrose can be topical. Wonder which house the moon's in.<BR/><BR/>"Humans, submit yourselves to your dogs as, well just do it" Walela 5:49, King Willie VersionDoug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134387104783908822005-12-12T03:31:00.000-08:002005-12-12T03:31:00.000-08:00Wait! I'm not surrendering to no dog no how.You h...Wait! I'm not surrendering to no dog no how.<BR/><BR/>You have to get up earlier than that doug-dog gets up to put me in my place.TLPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02837578489728318423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134372096150680262005-12-11T23:21:00.000-08:002005-12-11T23:21:00.000-08:00wow, what a fabulously interesting set of comments...wow, what a fabulously interesting set of comments on this post!<BR/>Love it.<BR/><BR/>Everyone around here knows their place, servant to the dog.Logophilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05791617221187190709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134370638786682602005-12-11T22:57:00.000-08:002005-12-11T22:57:00.000-08:00Belinda, you know perfectly well dogs don't lie, a...Belinda, you know perfectly well dogs don't lie, although we do hide bones.<BR/><BR/>Yes, anonymalice. You've earned it.<BR/><BR/>Weirsdo, I can't read those books. Too conflict-avoidant.<BR/><BR/>Haha, Alice. I wouldn't shoot you for all the tea in China but sometimes e;ectroshock helps me focus. Just sayin'.Doug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134366548864714472005-12-11T21:49:00.000-08:002005-12-11T21:49:00.000-08:00jeus doug shoot me will you.jeus doug shoot me will you.Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02465484210397122019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134366507687199252005-12-11T21:48:00.000-08:002005-12-11T21:48:00.000-08:00That anonnymous was me and that book described abo...That anonnymous was me and that book described above sounds like the stupidest thing ever written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134364405317644412005-12-11T21:13:00.000-08:002005-12-11T21:13:00.000-08:00Just a footnote follow-up on Belinda's comments--e...Just a footnote follow-up on Belinda's comments--evolutionary biologists are highly skeptical of many behaviorist claims, and I bet a survey of wives married 5 years or more would support the evolutionary biologists. <BR/><BR/>I would recommend Are You an Emotional Junky? but it's not a real book ; )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134358763658205682005-12-11T19:39:00.000-08:002005-12-11T19:39:00.000-08:00Oh ..... Am I the only one with a special dispensa...Oh ..... Am I the only one with a special dispensation?<BR/><BR/>I hope so because I paid dearly for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134356195731778032005-12-11T18:56:00.000-08:002005-12-11T18:56:00.000-08:00HAA!!! I feel 80 sometimes! Have you seen the pi...HAA!!! I feel 80 sometimes! Have you seen the pics of my mother and grandmother, posted recently? Thanksgiving posts, I think. That should give a clue. If what you say is true, then maybe I inherited those genes! I can hope.ninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134353114444745982005-12-11T18:05:00.000-08:002005-12-11T18:05:00.000-08:00Belinda, if you're going to post 10-year-old pictu...Belinda, if you're going to post 10-year-old pictures of yourself, that's fine, but please don't criticize my drugs.<BR/><BR/>Seriously, I never thought you were in your 30s.Doug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134352441409845182005-12-11T17:54:00.000-08:002005-12-11T17:54:00.000-08:00Doug, put down the:a.) wine b.) mushroomsc.) airpl...Doug, put down the:<BR/>a.) wine <BR/>b.) mushrooms<BR/>c.) airplane glue<BR/><BR/>OR<BR/><BR/>d.) step away from the computer and get some rest.<BR/><BR/>;-)<BR/><BR/>We were 34 when we got married, which was 5 years ago. Isabella just turned 3 in October. I am currently 39.ninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134350833446676132005-12-11T17:27:00.000-08:002005-12-11T17:27:00.000-08:00Alice, my sister and brother-in-law wanted me to a...Alice, my sister and brother-in-law wanted me to add that the preacher while lousy at the ceremony was a very good pastoral counselor. I guess that helped everyone be patient. That, and the sedatives I slipped both my mother and sister before the ceremony as a preventive. Oh and you have special dispensation to be vile here, should you wish it.<BR/><BR/>Belinda, I absolutely identify with the comment about late marriage. In my 20s I could wait and by my mid-thirties I wasn't sure for what. By the way, I've seen your picture. I'm not sure I understand how you married five years older than your current age and have a four-year-old daughter.Doug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134348388335622962005-12-11T16:46:00.000-08:002005-12-11T16:46:00.000-08:00My problem with marriage was that I waited so long...My problem with marriage was that I waited so long to do it, I had pretty much become the man I wanted to marry. :-Pninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134348051493592742005-12-11T16:40:00.000-08:002005-12-11T16:40:00.000-08:00Marielle, that's right. "The Surrendered Wife." ...Marielle, that's right. "The Surrendered Wife." I really understood what she was getting at, but gosh--it's an insulting (to men) and unrealistic premise. And when you get right down to it, it's just another form of manipulation.<BR/><BR/>The idea, as I remember it, is that men are weak, because we, women, have made them that way. BAD women! Bad for being strong and capable. Anyhoo, it's kind of a "fake it 'til you make it" thing, where you, the wife, start behaving *as if* your husband were all the things that you wish he were in the husband department (judgemental, much?), and that sooner or later, he will puff up with pride at your confidence and trust in him, and *become* that man.<BR/><BR/>There are just so many holes there, and so many women (and men) I know who wish it were that simple.<BR/><BR/>A much better approach to "managing" (as a euphemism for "manipulating") people, is Karen Pryor's "Don't Shoot The Dog." I am not EVEN kidding. It's brilliant. Skinner was right on--there's nothing we can't accomplish through operant conditioning, given any animal with at least the brains of a chicken! ;-)<BR/><BR/>Hmmmmm...how best to "shape" the behavior of baking me some cookies?ninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134346770016075682005-12-11T16:19:00.000-08:002005-12-11T16:19:00.000-08:00I personally think it's sickening while still humo...I personally think it's sickening while still humorous.I wouldn’t have been laughing though. I personally think they showed a lot of patience with that loser preacher. Subversion of any kind in either direction is not really appealing to me.<BR/><BR/>I can’t think of a definition that is not nasty so I will abstain.Cooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02465484210397122019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134344027578631152005-12-11T15:33:00.000-08:002005-12-11T15:33:00.000-08:00Belinda I think the freedom to mock your husband o...Belinda I think the freedom to mock your husband over the internet is the essence of female empowerment. There's a theological point much too deep for this site (you listening, Aral?) that among the things that are consistent across the New Testament is the subversion of power of one person over another. In any case, I think letting your husband watch the Colts/Panthers is enough humility for today. Go on and make him clean something.<BR/><BR/>Mireille, hahaha. Can I get a signed copy?Doug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134331729474871862005-12-11T12:08:00.000-08:002005-12-11T12:08:00.000-08:00"surrendered wife" It's "surrendered." Like the e..."surrendered wife" It's "surrendered." Like the enemy surrendered. Like "I had her surrounded and she surrendered." Now let's try to transpose that onto the car metaphor. The car, when not receiving regular lube, oil and filters, "surrendered" in the middle of the freeway; the wife, when not receiving adequate recognition, gifts and sexual favors, absolutely refused to surrender. See, doesn't work. *for a complete explanation of this post, see my new book: "Doug's Blog and How I Learned to Fully Participate."mireillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02012296353550408831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134330213104377472005-12-11T11:43:00.000-08:002005-12-11T11:43:00.000-08:00Yeah, I would taker rather serious umbrage at bein...Yeah, I would taker rather serious umbrage at being compared to an old car.<BR/><BR/>Anyone who knows me would tell you that I am not "submissive," in the common understanding of the word. The only way I can express what I was trying to say (if at all) is to say that while I am a control freak--always have been--once I DID learn to give up some of that I was richly rewarded. It was like someone lifted a burden; a sense of relief not to HAVE to be the one that micro-manages every last thing. That was just a huge personal thing for me.<BR/><BR/>And our marriage (the first for both of us) came late in life, compared to a lot of folks--we were both 34, and had lived alone a lot of years. Plus, we had some serious, serious issues that plagued us for a long time and affected every aspect of our marriage. We're very fortunate and blessed to have weathered those storms and come through to the other side.<BR/><BR/>If you ask my husband if I am a "submissive wife," (read that book, BTW, and do NOT recommend it, at least not in whole) he would most likely---heck, I'll do it now; He's right here watching Jacksonville/Indiana football:<BR/><BR/>"Am I a submissive wife?"<BR/><BR/>"NO."<BR/><BR/>"NO? Just like that? Never?"<BR/><BR/>"No." (considers, cracks up laughing)<BR/><BR/>"How can you say that?"<BR/><BR/>Alex gestures with hands as if "presenting" me as evidence for his position, making "duh" face.<BR/><BR/>Oh, well. They say that perception is the only reality, so I guess I was way off! Ha. If only he knew. ;-)ninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134288764458580422005-12-11T00:12:00.000-08:002005-12-11T00:12:00.000-08:00Jamie Dawn, thou hast said it.Monika, it shouldn't...Jamie Dawn, thou hast said it.<BR/><BR/>Monika, it shouldn't come to that. I wouldn't think anyone who knew you would expect it of you.<BR/><BR/>Weirsdo, I've seen some of that in your novella. <BR/><BR/>Belinda, I don't think anyone will flame you and no-one should. Personally (my "I" works prodigiously, thank you) I don't question the scriptures, but I am often suspicious as to why one passage is selected over another. I think everyone present including the other Baptists thought the car metaphor was degrading (you'd have to hear the whole thing) and the purpose of his reading that passage having agreed not to was to define the marriage not to sanctify it. Regarding the roles of spouses and what the passage from Ephesians means, as someone who never married, I humbly submit to those of you who have.<BR/><BR/>Also, Belinda, I think you're magnificent for offering us your perspective when it's so clearly counter to most of the other opinions here. I thank you.<BR/><BR/>And "HA" yourself.Doug The Unahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04753071669562594194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134278009798188442005-12-10T21:13:00.000-08:002005-12-10T21:13:00.000-08:00Oh, and the "HA!" was actuall me laughing at Doug'...Oh, and the "HA!" was actuall me laughing at Doug's funny story, not scorning anyone else's post!ninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134277856459781002005-12-10T21:10:00.000-08:002005-12-10T21:10:00.000-08:00HA! You know, both of those passages were read at...HA! You know, both of those passages were read at my wedding. Here is my take on the whole Ephesians thing: If a man takes on the Biblical mantle as "head of the family," and performs it accordingly...well, I have no problem "submitting" to that. Truly. In my experience, it is only in instances where the man is not fulfilling that role, that the woman, consciously or not, steps in to fill the gap. And that probably works for a whole lot of families, so don't flame me. MY family certainly hasn't grown into the scriptural model yet. My parents, now, in their last years together before my dad was called home--they had it knocked.<BR/><BR/>That post had a lot of 'l's in it, and the 'l' key is off my computer. So every time you see that letter, it means I have copied and pasted it from somewhere. So if for nothing else, appreciate my efforts for that!ninjapoodleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10322256509244988323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134274317827427202005-12-10T20:11:00.000-08:002005-12-10T20:11:00.000-08:00Good story, except someone should have interrupted...Good story, except someone should have interrupted the --oops I forgot, no profanity. The "submit" line is very popular down here, let me tell you. I have had (unmarried) female Composition students go on about what a wonderful experience submission is at great masochistic length.<BR/>Before Dr. Weirsdo and I got married, his converted Catholic sister sent us religious books on marital happiness. Husbands were encouraged to reward wives like dogs so the wives would come scampering to meet the husbands when they (the husbands) came home after a hard day's work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134266356461527732005-12-10T17:59:00.000-08:002005-12-10T17:59:00.000-08:00No Doug, I´d rather poke my eyeball out and shoot ...No Doug, I´d rather poke my eyeball out and shoot myself in the foot than submit :)Minkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04200778533362101678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11152564.post-1134262812325607332005-12-10T17:00:00.000-08:002005-12-10T17:00:00.000-08:00The Love Chapter is one of my favs of the Bible. ...The Love Chapter is one of my favs of the Bible. It gives us all something to aspire to, though I know perfect love is hard to emulate.<BR/>A woman is a lot like a car; that minister was right. If you want your car to run smoothly for years and years, you better take good care of it. Neglected cars tend to leave you stranded.Jamie Dawnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11036600186909466411noreply@blogger.com